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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 4 years 3 months ago #862

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I wanted to bounce an ideal off of the masses, or at least Matt and Anton.

I was thinking today about raised bed planters, gardening in containers, and other urban gardening techniques and how it might be applied to Wreck-Age.

I have this image in my head of a wagon train (or even a barge - just because! ;) of Stakers. After years of getting raided and rebuilding, they decide to stay on the move to find lands less threatened by Drifters. What makes this community different is that their wagon train consists of large flat bed trailers, framed in with lightweight materials to hold dirt, manure, and compost. Within these trailers they maintain traditional urban crops like tomatoes, greens, and the like. There would also be an open topped tanker that essentially acts as a giant rain barrel, so that they can water their mobile crops.

Now wet dirt is extremely heavy so they wouldn't necessarily stay on the move constantly. It actually could be used as a defense instead. A community might put their most treasured crops in one of these mobile planters so that they can bring them "inside the wall" when raiders are spotted.

Anyway, it was a wacky idea that came into my head today.
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 4 years 3 months ago #863

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I wanted to bounce an ideal off of the masses, or at least Matt and Anton.

I was thinking today about raised bed planters, gardening in containers, and other urban gardening techniques and how it might be applied to Wreck-Age.

I have this image in my head of a wagon train (or even a barge - just because! ;) of Stakers. After years of getting raided and rebuilding, they decide to stay on the move to find lands less threatened by Drifters. What makes this community different is that their wagon train consists of large flat bed trailers, framed in with lightweight materials to hold dirt, manure, and compost. Within these trailers they maintain traditional urban crops like tomatoes, greens, and the like. There would also be an open topped tanker that essentially acts as a giant rain barrel, so that they can water their mobile crops.

Now wet dirt is extremely heavy so they wouldn't necessarily stay on the move constantly. It actually could be used as a defense instead. A community might put their most treasured crops in one of these mobile planters so that they can bring them "inside the wall" when raiders are spotted.

Anyway, it was a wacky idea that came into my head today.

I like this idea a lot!

If you want help with researching this idea, on Sunday, Becky and I are putting together 3 planter boxes, if you want to help.
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 4 years 3 months ago #866

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Hahaha. I've got my own garden to worry about at the moment. Plus, Lisa and I are both on "vacation" Sunday-Wednesday and are going to spend Sunday and Tuesday together.
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 4 years 3 months ago #873

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Chiming in...

That is a cool idea and it got me thinking too. "What would hold the weight?" and then a mental image popped in from what i saw the other day. The converted Older truck beds into trailers. Granted they arent large but with that suspension they could easily hold the weight. Put a few mules on it, Viola'.



There's your next model guys :)
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 4 years 3 months ago #874

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Nick is working on the hobby section of the book, and I think this would make excellent fodder for that section.

Also, a caravan might have old semi trailers (maybe 1:53 scale die cast trailers) with one or two levels of stuff growing. Maybe a couple of I beams welded on at sparse intervals to create shade for crops needing less sunlight on the bottom.

Very cool stuff.
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 3 years 11 months ago #1205

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I think the old semi trailers would be too much for even a team of eight pack boars to carry - if you could expand on the "Vendor Cart" models that you already have, make them slightly larger with larger wheels, and put some boars on the front, you'd have a viable idea.

I like BaSaint's idea; smaller carts. It makes sense in a "defensive" sense as well because if the Staker "Wanderers" are attacked, they can spread out the smaller carts and, if some are lost, it's better than ALL being lost.

Another consideration is that smaller wagons can be "circled" to create a defensive position, where one long "land barge" is very vulnerable to being flanked.

One FINAL consideration is that people may not want to drop $40.00 on one big model, but could buy $15.00 models here and there, as finances allow, to build up their Drifter "Wanderer" collection.

It might look cool if they were "framed" and you included small plexiglas squares and rectangles - once the owner painted the model, they could glue the glass to the frame and have a mobile greenhouse.
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 3 years 11 months ago #1207

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Oh man... This makes me want to make an old ruined greenhouse with dingy, frosted, broken out windows!

Like I needed another project on my plate... thanks guys.

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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 3 years 11 months ago #1212

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I think, after I've gotten this heap of metal painted and based, that I'll build one. It's not hard - I've got Evergreen "Corrugated Siding" and I could use that for short walls. The frame of the wagon could be made out of Plastruct "I beams" and some old wheels from the "bits bin". Doesn't seem to be too big a project.

The hard part will be sculpting the garden...I think my only hope there is to make a "dirt base" and then put aquarium plant sections in there. I could then sculpt and paint some oblong balls as fruit, paint them, then glue them to the plant leaves or something for more authenticity.

Like Jlopatin said...LIKE I NEEDED ANOTHER PROJECT. ugh
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 3 years 11 months ago #1214

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I was thinking something this size or a little larger - something that could be made from light weight metals and filled with 6"-8" of soil for really light, hearty, healthy crops like kale/greens, carrots, onions, etc. Basically stuff that can be grown in pots.

You can have a beam across the center, maybe raise like a roll-bar, that salvaged plexiglass sides can be hinged on the side panels to make a fold up green house.

However, a better material than plexiglass would be salvaged clear solar pool covers. Its lighter in weight, better designed for retaining the suns rays, and can likely get patched when pierced by gun fire. Plus, with it being so light weight you can roll it like a tarp and carry it on a pack animal when not needed (or carry offcuts for patching purposes).

When I went to the Green Fair at Navy Pier in May there was a company selling this awesome hydroponic green house made from solar pool cover material. It was awesome.

They also sell portable back yard green houses at Home Depot that are just a cheesy metal frame and clear plastic tarp material with a zipper.

Between using lightweight alloys from salvaged bicycle tubing, creative bedding to retain soil moisture, and re-purposed clear plastic or plexiglass (even bullet proof glass), it seems completely doable.

As for modeling the plants, do a bed with sand, and to keep it simple: do 3 rows of static grass to represent onions or clump foliage to represent bush plants. You can get crazy with it, but you don't have to.
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 3 years 11 months ago #1216

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That's exactly the size I was thinking.

Now you've got me intrigued. Expect WIP stuff in the very short term. And by the way, thanks for soaking up a day or two of my life now that my OCD compulsions must be sated.
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Well, it's begun. I'm about 30 minutes in because the kid is staying up a little late watching some inanities about mermaids and had I stayed there, I might have shot myself.

So, I moved to "the model shop" and started up.


The "chassis" is made of .060 plasticard, and the "beams" below are made up of Plastruct I-Beams. I cut them as poorly as possible so that they could be rusted up later. The walls are made of "V-Groove" .030 that will end up looking like rusty corrugated, galvanized steel. If I can make it work, that is. I'll probably make the cart bottom metal as well, although I was considering cutting some uneven lines in it to make it look like plank wood.


The "lead" is two bits of 1/4" balsa with a toothpick. I'm going to use some thin twine or some motorcycle safety wire with a ring of plasticard as a harness - ideally it will be melted a little to have the wavy look of old leather. A boar's head should fit in the center, as a yoke.



I dropped some scrabble tiles (man, are these things useful) to raise the level of the inside. I need to prime the whole thing before I go further, but the idea is that I'm going to drop some PVA glue in there and drop in some fine brown ballast to be the "dirt", and as was posited above, I'm going to use some static grass for the plant. Still weighing the options on what kind of fruit/veggie I should put in there, if any.


I took my 3 year old to this kid-zone type deal today, and it's in a big toy store that's been out of business for years, but they still sell crappy toys, like the cheap Chinese off-brand crap. It's a treasure trove for parts. I paid 3$ for this cool little ATV 4-wheeler that was the perfect width, so I got it home and smashed it up, saving the chrome-painted motor and other bits for future junk piles, but the tires and axles were my target. I simply drilled a hole through the beams, took a tire off the axle, and then slid it through the holes, replacing the tire. Obviously, it's coming back off before paint.
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 3 years 11 months ago #1239

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Well, it's begun. I'm about 30 minutes in because the kid is staying up a little late watching some inanities about mermaids and had I stayed there, I might have shot myself.

So, I moved to "the model shop" and started up.


The "chassis" is made of .060 plasticard, and the "beams" below are made up of Plastruct I-Beams. I cut them as poorly as possible so that they could be rusted up later. The walls are made of "V-Groove" .030 that will end up looking like rusty corrugated, galvanized steel. If I can make it work, that is. I'll probably make the cart bottom metal as well, although I was considering cutting some uneven lines in it to make it look like plank wood.


The "lead" is two bits of 1/4" balsa with a toothpick. I'm going to use some thin twine or some motorcycle safety wire with a ring of plasticard as a harness - ideally it will be melted a little to have the wavy look of old leather. A boar's head should fit in the center, as a yoke.



I dropped some scrabble tiles (man, are these things useful) to raise the level of the inside. I need to prime the whole thing before I go further, but the idea is that I'm going to drop some PVA glue in there and drop in some fine brown ballast to be the "dirt", and as was posited above, I'm going to use some static grass for the plant. Still weighing the options on what kind of fruit/veggie I should put in there, if any.


I took my 3 year old to this kid-zone type deal today, and it's in a big toy store that's been out of business for years, but they still sell crappy toys, like the cheap Chinese off-brand crap. It's a treasure trove for parts. I paid 3$ for this cool little ATV 4-wheeler that was the perfect width, so I got it home and smashed it up, saving the chrome-painted motor and other bits for future junk piles, but the tires and axles were my target. I simply drilled a hole through the beams, took a tire off the axle, and then slid it through the holes, replacing the tire. Obviously, it's coming back off before paint.

Nice!

I'm really curious to see how this ends up looking. I think having it come to fruition will be a neat project. Maybe we should have a friendly contest to see who can come up with the coolest cart garden?

I'm thinking of eventually possibly casting up a cart base for people who are interested... maybe that will work with a set of the wheels from the vendor carts or something.

That will be a down the road project though, but it would be fun.
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 3 years 11 months ago #1243

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I had my 12 year old basecoat it in "Mithril Silver" as it's shiny and I knew it would be darkened by the Modelmates Rust Effect:




And once I rusted it up, I put some dirt in the cart by pouring some "Magic Sauce" (1/3 water, 1/3 wood glue, 1/3 Mod Podge Satin) in the bucket and dumping in some Woodland Scenics fine brown ballast.

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superflytnt wrote:
I had my 12 year old basecoat it in "Mithril Silver" as it's shiny and I knew it would be darkened by the Modelmates Rust Effect:




And once I rusted it up, I put some dirt in the cart by pouring some "Magic Sauce" (1/3 water, 1/3 wood glue, 1/3 Mod Podge Satin) in the bucket and dumping in some Woodland Scenics fine brown ballast.


What technique did you use to rust the silver? That doesn't look like anything I'm familiar with.

I love the way that turned out!
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 3 years 11 months ago #1247

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If hes talking about that brand Modelmates, that stuff is great! Its a high end effect line and they have both a liquid and a powder if im not mistaken.
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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 3 years 11 months ago #1248

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Yep, Modelmates Rust Effect. Can't beat it, and it's worth waiting a month from Oz to get it.

I added some static grass and I sculpted some tubers. I figure that if you're in the desert, you're going to conserve water by pissing in the garden to fertilize, and you're going to try to recover as much water as possible, and that grow in arid conditions. Root veggies are hit and miss in the desert (as I've read) but zucchini and melons seem to do OK if you water them.

Painting them today at some point and will be figuring out what wasteland harness I can conceive to both connect to the pack boar yet sit freely. I'm kind of thinking I don't want to mess with it and simply leave it as a free standing deal. Too much crap lying around if its not connected to the boar (ie, someone shoots it and it's removed from the table).
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What technique did you use to rust the silver? That doesn't look like anything I'm familiar with.

I love the way that turned out!
If you want to make something utterly rusty, basecoat it with a silver color (or silver wash if you're looking to rust something painted) and make it brighter than normal when you basecoat. Maybe 2-3 shades. Then, there's this stuff in the UK called Modelmates Rust Effect (www.modelmates.co.uk/). This stuff is wicked brilliant. You paint it on and it evaporates (it's alcohol-base) and then smear it up a bit if you want to streak it.

Rust in a bottle.
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Full tutorial here:
superflycircus.blogspot.com/2013/09/post...erers-need-fast.html

The melons were a pain in the ass to paint, so I glued them to a scrap bit of plastic and then painted them...2 coats of paint and a drybrush with a darker color. Bedded them in fluffier foliage as that's what melons look like in a garden, think it worked OK.

The little red things are turnips or something. I didn't want to make tall leaves so I'm going with "hybrid plant created specifically, in the Great Water Shortage of the 23rd century, to require little water and not use its energy growing leaves but rather spend its energy growing the root."

Yeah, that's it.

Anyhow, I'm done with this bad boy. Wreck-Age model on the side for scale.


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Raised Bed Planters and Year Zero 3 years 11 months ago #1255

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Looking great! I love the watermelons, but if you've ever seen them growing, there's a lot more leaves.

We'll make a true post apocalypse gardener of you yet!

I really love the rust effects... It's nice to see projects come to fruition (no pun intended) so quickly.
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Yeah, same with turnips.

I'm going for "25th Century engineered super-plants that don't waste energy making leaves" :)
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