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Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 2 months ago #416

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I have had a few questions about race in W-A, and while I know some of them are from a painting perspective (not that painting minis accurately isnt important), I know a few are more story driven. The short answer is that there aren't races in Wreck-Age, and the concept of different races has been mostly snuffed out by two hundred years of oral history and glorious interbreeding.

So while certain individuals may appear lighter or darker, have different colored eyes, hair or any other genetic trait, you won't see much uniformity in color in a group other than the most inbred and isolated of communities. These rules may not apply to a 200+ year old stitchman, but keep in mind that even they were born at least a century from now. That is not to say 2012 is 'post racial', but hey, it's not the 50's anymore. I hope that whatever shred of racial divide that exists a century from now would not survive the collapse of society, which would effectively wipe clean any outdated social mores in favor of our continuation as a species. But I'm rambling at this point.

So paint everyone with a tan and brown hair (a very dominant gene if I am correct) if you want to be safe ha ha. Sorry if this thread appears to come from nowhere, but this has been a popular question since day one and I wanted to put an 'official' stance on it, even though talking about race for the sake of it is something I try to avoid.

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Any thoughts or input on this? I know it's a touchy subject for many.
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 2 months ago #417

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Matt's post is spot on. Here's why:

Several factors went into the 'Crash', the term used for the collective ruin of the Earth as we know it. Socially, governments fell and martial law first became the norm then managed to break down as well into full fledged anarchy. While this has had a polarizing effect on many cultural groups, they tend to be completely isolated in any case and rarely even interact with other 'races'. Generally speaking, settlements have adopted the absolutely vital 'what can you do' attitude towards members and racial differences like skin tone, ethnic background and even religion went out like Hair Bands and the Internet.

Climatically, more places on Earth got warmer, arid regions spread and life just became harder and more physical across a broad spectrum. While colder climes do exist (it is more accurately called 'global _climate change_' for a reason), the Earth is in general hotter and drier. In such conditions, the tendency is for darker skin and even hair color to survive over fair skin and pale complexions. Again, this is not a law or an absolute but it is certainly a valid generalization.

The upshoot of all of this is that all races still exist in Wreck-Age and thus any paint job within human limits is reasonable. From a story standpoint, the 'average' person in the setting is just as Matt described - tan and brown haired. It's a dominant, survivable type that one can find anywhere.

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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 2 months ago #418

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I had a rant brewing just looking at the title, but I think you guys are right. Here's the thing, using the word 'race' to describe skin color is just so messed up. It's clearly a throw-back to times when people believed that different skin colors actually made us a different race from one another...like cats and dogs. There is only one race; Human (well except for stitchmen...post human?) anyway, excerpt from Wikipedia says our race is hom sapien and any dvisions based on trait are superficial and simplistic:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_community

guess I decided to rant anyway :)
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 2 months ago #419

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Josh,

Thanks for pointing out that a 'what skin color should I paint my minis' thread is superficial. I think we already knew that :)

And yes, we are all from the same species ultimately, but there is some (tiny) genetic deviation, which the term 'race' tries and mostly fails to define. Either way, it's still the widely accepted term (for now). But let's just let the topic rest because ultimately we agree with eachother and semantics are no fun among friends.

-M

PS- definitely filled out my race on an application while writing this :/
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 2 months ago #420

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Right, JTurner; that's why the first instance of the word 'race' was in quotes. It's not a precise or accurate term. It's just the closest thing Englush has got without getting extremely technical.

Genetic deviations exist throughout the many subspecies of humanity. None of it is more or less 'human'; it's all just differences. Biologically speaking, it is that difference spectrum that makes us a viable species. I am pretty sure no one here feels any other way about it. No ruffled feathers. :)

-A
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 2 months ago #421

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Got it guys. sorry ;)
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 2 months ago #422

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No worries at all, J!

Just wanted to make sure you knew we were on this. Matt's definitely taken a lot of this into consideration. He's extremely good at trying to ensure nothing is ever racist or sexist in Wreck-Age.

After all, it's the Apocalypse! Who's got time for that crap anymore? :)
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 4 weeks ago #506

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I'm sure if Iceland is still around it'll be the largest group of white people still remaining. I have been pretty out of the loop though so I don't know if it's all underwater.
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 4 weeks ago #507

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To be determined? It's pretty low on the agenda haha
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #508

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What!?! Matt, I need to know the fate of Iceland....and white people!
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #509

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jturner wrote:
What!?! Matt, I need to know the fate of Iceland....and white people!

Study the past, to learn the future:




That said, "race" as we're defining it for this conversation is simply short-hand for "skin color".

And perhaps Matt went and opened up a can of worms (albeit a small one) by even mentioning it. We do think about things like this on the back-end quite a bit, and perhaps showing our thought process, and opening this stuff up to debate and discussion is a good thing.

We've gotten a lot good feedback from people saying they appreciated our inclusion of "non-sexy" women, and I think that's an example of our intent to be inclusive. We may not always succeed 100% at that, but we strive to achieve it.
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #511

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That video is hilarious. There is totally a black guy in the middle of that mosh pit...surrounded by white people!
Anyhow, just so nobody gets their undies in a bundle I am totally white, but my wife is totally brown. Our kids are...in between! beautiful!!! I don't know if I said that before, but if I did.... :P
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #512

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'Race' was/is just a term/delineation created by the wealthy to divide the classes and exhort the poor. be it the white southerner to fight for 'state's rights', or the poor scotsman to gun down africans in the 'civilizing' imperialism of the 19th Century, Etc etc ad nauseam..
Now that those A-holes have flown into the sun, I can't imagine 'race' or racism being a long lasted theory.

But, just like that movie/book, 'Man and His Dog'. You know there's gonna be some F-ed up throwbacks out there.
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #513

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ferk wrote:
'Race' was/is just a term/delineation created by the wealthy to divide the classes and exhort the poor. be it the white southerner to fight for 'state's rights', or the poor scotsman to gun down africans in the 'civilizing' imperialism of the 19th Century, Etc etc ad nauseam..
Now that those A-holes have flown into the sun, I can't imagine 'race' or racism being a long lasted theory.

But, just like that movie/book, 'Man and His Dog'. You know there's gonna be some F-ed up throwbacks out there.

Precisely. As a means of control and coercion, the concept (in our game world at least), will have long since flown to the stars.

I totally agree on A Boy and His Dog too.
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #516

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So now that we've completely rehashed this again, can we go back to what was already said before and drop the subject? It's been thoroughly discussed (and was settled as of the original rules quoting). :)

-A
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #517

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I hear the best way to avoid necromancy is to give us something else to talk about....how about a new short? :)

Maybe something about race in Wreck age? :lol:

Just kidding; how about something to do with rabbits?
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #518

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jturner wrote:
I hear the best way to avoid necromancy is to give us something else to talk about....how about a new short? :)

Maybe something about race in Wreck age? :lol:

Just kidding; how about something to do with rabbits?

Careful what you wish for.
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #519

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Don't tempt me. As Matt will tell you, one shouldn't joke about such things... :)

Carl put it best, "Careful what you wish for". I just might write it. :D

-A
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #521

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Oh yeah we can definitely come up with something that would make you never look at rabbits the same again.

The filthy white rabbits of Iceland
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Rabbits feet are lucky! like racoon's...... :sick:
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #525

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If rabbits rare so damn lucky then why are their feet being sold on keychains at state fairs?
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 3 weeks ago #526

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I sense a sellout in the rabbit community
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No brainer; it's cowslip.
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You know, every time I see this subject the first thing that comes to mind is an actual race. First I think about racing horse drawn chariots, bun hur style, then I think about biker gangs and thugs, all mad max stuff, and then I think for sport there might be foot races or even dog races.

What do you guys think?
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 2 weeks ago #531

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I'd love to sculpt those. Apocalypse Chariot races. Death race 2000, but with donkeys and boars.
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That would be awesome!!
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Sounds like we might need to produce a supplement. Or even a board game.
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ferk wrote:
I'd love to sculpt those. Apocalypse Chariot races. Death race 2000, but with donkeys and boars.

I think I definitely smell a spin-off game.
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Re: Race in Wreck-Age 5 years 2 weeks ago #535

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This actually sounds like a lot of fun. You could have different chariot designs, and different pullers (dogs? slaves? flesh golems?) and driver/'navigator' (shotgun) teams.
And, of course, the tracks could change. A circular track or one through broken city streets. You could have an idiotrod ;)
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Is an idiotrod a fast car driven by a really stupid person? :)
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